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Sunday, February 13th 2005, 1:04pm

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Ich denke, ganz klarer Favorit auf den Sieg in der Champions League ist Krim Ljubljana


ach wär das schön :D
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Sunday, February 13th 2005, 2:54pm

mögliche Viertelfinalteilnehmer bis jetzt:

Gruppe A:
1.) Ikast Bording EH (DEN/3)
2.) Dunaferr SE (HUN/1)

Gruppe B: Viborg HK A/S (DEN/1), Hypo Niederösterreich (AUT/3), Dinamo AQUA Volgograd (RUS/3)

Verliert Hypo das Endspiel in Wolgograd und wenn Viborg den erwarteten Heimsieg schafft, dann hätten die drei Teams alle 8 Punkte und 4 Punkte aus den direkten Vergleichen. Die momentane Direktvergleichtabelle ergibt folgendes Bild.

1. Viborg HK 4 Spiele 4 Punkte - 120:110 +10
2. Hypo NÖ 3 Spiele 4 Punkte - 83:80 +3
3. Volgograd 3 Spiele 2 Punkte - 83:96 -13

Das heißt, dass Volgograd mit 8 Toren gewinnen muss, wenn ich das System richtig verstanden habe.

Gruppe C: Kometal D. P. Skopje (MKD/2), Slagelse FH (DEN/1)


Gruppe D:
1.) Krim Ljubljana (SLO/1)
2.) Elda Prestigio (ESP/2)

*fettgedruckte Teams im Viertelfinale

Aus den Regularien zur EHF-CL

3.5.3.3. Die Paarungen des Viertelfinales werden nicht ausgelost, sondern ergeben sich
wie folgt aus den Abschlusstabellen der Gruppenspiele:
Zweiter Gruppe B - Sieger Gruppe A (??? - Ikast)
Zweiter Gruppe A - Sieger Gruppe B (Dunaferr - ??? )
Zweiter Gruppe D - Sieger Gruppe C (Elda Prestigio - ???)
Zweiter Gruppe C - Sieger Gruppe D (??? - Krim Ljubljana)
Original von rro.ch
Beliebte Sportarten aber auch Randsportarten wie Handball kommen beim Publikum an.

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Sunday, February 13th 2005, 4:36pm

Ich werde es mir nächsten Sonntag auf TW1 ansehen. Die Kommentatorin wirds schon verstanden haben, hat ja meist mehr Durchblick als deutsche TV-Journalisten :)
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Sunday, February 13th 2005, 9:20pm

Slagelse - Lada 33 : 27 (15:16)

Gruppe A:
1. Ikast Bording EH............5 9
2. Dunaferr SE..................5 7
3. ZRK Buducnost MONET..5 2
4. CBM Astroc Sagunto......5 2

Gruppe B:
1. Hypo Niederösterreich......5 8
2. Viborg HK A/S.................5 6
3. Dinamo AQUA Volgograd..5 6
4. Nordstrand 2000.............5 0

Gruppe C:
1. Kometal D. P. Skopje......5 8
2. Slagelse FH....................5 8
3. HC "Lada Toljatti"...........5 4
4. HC "Motor" Zaporozhye...5 0

Gruppe D:
1. Krim Ljubljana................5 10
2. Orsan Elda Prestigio........5 6
3. Tertnes Bergen.............5 3
4. RK DIN Nis....................5 1
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Sunday, February 13th 2005, 9:35pm

ich hoffe mal, dass Hypo lieber gegen Dunaferr als gegen Ikast spielen will, dann strengen sie sich wenigstens nächste Woche an
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Sunday, February 13th 2005, 10:48pm

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ich hoffe mal, dass Hypo lieber gegen Dunaferr als gegen Ikast spielen will, dann strengen sie sich wenigstens nächste Woche an


...vor allem, weil bei dunaferr einige verletzte ausfallen.


und prokop wird schon dafür sorgen.

sonst führt er russische sitten ein und verhaut sie alle. nicht nur verbal, meine ich.

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Tuesday, February 15th 2005, 6:05pm

Gruppe A -------------------------------------------

IKAST DRAW AGAINST DUNAFERR IN HUNGARY

It was show down for the top spot in Group A of the Champions League in Dunaújváros between Ikast Bording and the Hungarian champions Dunaferr. In their first match, the Danish club won by 28-27, which meant that the home side needed a two-goal victory to reach the first place in the group.

Just like in the previous Champions League clashes this season, Pálinger showed excellent form. Ikast’s pivot, Broedsgaard was brilliant in creating opportunities for the back court players, but the visitors could not amass a significant lead as the home side’s keeper saved several of Milanovic’s and Andersen’s shots, and Touray also lost a few one-on-one battles with her. The Danish team’s defence was quite successful at preventing Radulovics from scoring, though left wing Vincze, pivot Bohus and playmaker Pigniczki remained prolific.

Conducted by Hammerseng, Ikast managed to increase the pressure on the home defence and they applied their other formidable weapon, the fast breaks, very well too. Dunaferr’s attacks began to falter; the premature shots were saved by Vojcic or blocked by the defenders. The visitors opened a substantial margin (8-12), some of which they maintained until halftime (11-14).

The tables soon turned after the break, as Dunaferr equalised in the 33rd minute by Ferling’s penalty shot (14-14). Keeping the momentum, the home side took the lead (16-15), but Bohus’ ankle injury set them back again. In addition, the visitors’ fast breaks and rundown attacks functioned very well, the brilliant wings, Daugaard and Touray scored at ease (20-25).

The last minutes of the clash brought nail-biting excitement as Dunaferr produced a 5-0 run and levelled the score (25-25). With three seconds to go, coach Kiss replaced Pálinger by a field player, but the visitors blocked Radulovics’ last shot.

Text: Joó Sándor

Gruppe B -------------------------------------------

EVERYTHING TO PLAY FOR

Group B is still wide open after the fifth round. Viborg HK won 27-23 against Hypo Niederösterreich and defended the second place, but is equal on points with Volgograd. That means that nothing is settled in terms of which teams will end up in the quarter finals. Three teams could reach the first place, but also end up with a disappointing third place.

The Viborg-victory against Hypo on Saturday was historic. It is the first victory against Hypo for more than 7 years – and the first Viborg-victory on Danish soil ever!

It was a very close race until the middle of the second-half. Viborg remained only a short step ahead, and even lost the lead halfway through the first half. Hypo led 11-10, but soon after Viborg was in the lead again. Halfway through the game Viborg had the lead. 15-12.

The close clash continued in the second half, but only for ten minutes. At that time Anda Bilobrk had a two minute suspension and that kick started eight golden minutes for Viborg with playmaker Lotte Kiærskou as the leading player. She and Grit Jurack both scored seven times. With twelve minutes left Viborg had a six goal lead, 24-18. In the dying minutes the Austrian champions reduced the Viborg lead, and the match ended 27-23.

The match was primarily settled in the defence. For longer periods Viborg succeeded in keeping both Tanja Logvin and Gabriella Rotis out of grasp. But Hypo was as always smart and continued to show new openings. Anda Bilobrk and line player Simona Spiridon were everlasting threats.

The Danish defence expert Rikke Skov was a essential player for the Danish team: “It was a tough match – but a fair match with two very good teams. I was a bit nervous before the match, as it was extremely important that we has a win. Now we can reach the quarter-final ourselves and do not have to rely on other results.”

Text: Jens Ole Sorensen

Chancen auf Aufstieg ins Viertelfinale trotz Niederlage weiter intakt

Mit dem 23:27 in Viborg setzte es für den bisdahin ungeschlagenen Tabellenführer der Gruppe C Hypo NÖ die erste Niederlage in der Champions League. Dennoch haben es die Prokop-Schützlinge weiterhin in eigener Hand, den Gruppensieg bzw. den Aufstieg ins Viertelfinale zu realisieren. Die Ausgangssituation: Bei einem Sieg oder Unentschieden in Russland im letzten Gruppenspiel ist Hypo NÖ von der Tabellenspitze nicht zu verdrängen. Und selbst bei einer Niederlage mit einer Differenz bis zu sieben Toren steigen die Südstädterinnen hinter Viborg als Gruppenzweiter ins Viertelfinale auf. Der Gegner wäre entweder Dunaferr oder Ikast. Der Vorteil bei einem ersten Platz in der Gruppe: Das zweite Viertelfinalspiel findet zu Hause statt. Zurück zum Auswärtsspiel in Viborg, wo sich wieder einmal die Dänen als sehr "sportlich" erwiesen. Gellendes Pfeifkonzert beim Hallen-Betreten von unserer Mannschaft, etwas, was es im Europacup eigentlich nicht gibt - aber in Dänemark ticken die Uhren eben anders. Viborg hatte ja schon anlässlich der ersten Begegnung im Jänner in der Südstadt das traditionelle Bankett nach dem Spiel einfach abgesagt - ebenfalls einmalig in der Europacupgeschichte. Erschwert wurde der Heimflug unserer Mannschaft aus Dänemark dann noch durch Schneefall, der den kompletten Flugplan durcheinanderwirbelte. Somit landet unser Team erst heute Mittag mit 18stündiger Verspätung in Wien.

Viborg - Hypo NÖ 27:23 (15:12)
Tore: Logvin (6), Bilobrk (5), Rotis (4) Shynkarenko (4), Spiridon (3), Löwy (1).

ANOTHER DEFEAT FOR SORRY NORDSTRAND

Nordstrand looks to go through the group stage in the Champions League without taking a single point. On Saturday, the team suffered their fifth straight defeat.

Nordstrand always knew that they were drawn into a tough group, but they did not expect that they would still have no points after they had played five matches in Champions League.

In the clash against Dinamo AQUA Volgograd, the goalkeepers came into the spotlight. Both Heidi Tjugum for Nordstrand and Dinamo Volgograd’s Tatiana Alizar were in superb form. In the first half, Tjugum saved 9 of the guests 15 shots between the posts.

After the break, the Russians found their way past the Norwegian veteran and took control of the match. In the end, they won 23-19 and are now level points with Viborg.

If Viborg and Dinamo Volgograd both win their matches in the last round of the Group phase, then Viborg, Hypo Niederösterreich and Dinamo will end up with eight points a piece, and this will result in direct encounters that will decide who will advance to the next round.

Before the last matches Viborg has four points and +10 in goal difference, Hypo has four points and +3 in goal difference, while Dinamo has two points and -13 in goal difference.

Dinamo Volgograd still have a slim chance of qualifying for the next round, but with Viborg playing Nordstrand at home in their last match, they probably will have to win by at least nine goals against Hypo Niederösterreich to take second place in Group B.

Text: Stig Nygård

Gruppe C -------------------------------------------

WIN FOR KOMETAL DP SECURES ENTRY INTO NEXT ROUND

The Macedonian champions, Kometal DP Skopje, will continue into the next round in Champion League after securing their place amongst the best eight with a 32-20 (16-14) victory against HC “Motor” Zaporozhye. The former European Champions showed two different sides in regards to their performance and effectiveness.

For almost 30 minutes, Kometal DP Skopje, it was clear that the team was under serious pressure from the outsiders. Many mistakes were made, miss shots allowed the HC “Motor” to control the results. On several occasions, they managed to equalize. Even when Motor was down to only five field players, the still managed to score very easily. Borodina scored effortlessly from 9 meters and even an "aggressive defence" could not stop her. Zaporozhye’s wing player Zhanna Kashel scored 5 out of 5 when her chances arose.

"In the first half we missed many clear chances, played bad defence and allowed “Motor” to equalize several times. When you play at home, all players like to assert, especially in full sports hall. The team needed to show more spirit, concentration and certain realisation. In the first 30 minutes, there were many punctures in our defence,“ said Andriy Portnoy, coach of Kometal DP Skopje

When Kometal DP Skopje changed their defence from 3-2-1 to 5-1 and began to challenge the visitors more aggressively, things began to look up for the home team. Shortly after, Kometal increased their lead to 23-18 from 16-14; they were finally showing the ambition to win. Nataliya Borysenko was back in action, she saved five regular attempts, and one penalty shot. Yeliz Ozel and Olga Buyanova caused chaos to Motor's defence. Both were the "brains" between scoring and assisting.

In second half Kometal allowed Motor to score only six goals. After Kashelj scored in 44 min. (23-18), the Ukrainian players went 15 minutes without scoring. Anastasiya Borodina ended their dry spell in the 59th minute. Nevertheless, at this late stage in the game, defeat was inevitable.

"Everything we practice, we use in our game. Most important for us is that all players are healthy and can focus on the next game against Slagelse FH, this is the most important thing for us” said Portnoy.

The European Champions, Slagelse FH, are the next opponents for Kometal DP Skopje. This game will decide who will be at the top of Group C and who will manage to avoid Krim Ljubljana from Group D in the quarterfinal.

Portnoy confirmed his ambition to win in Denmark.

“This match will show who is better. We have beaten them already in Skopje, and traditionally we play well against Danish clubs. Last year we lost, but we held our own during the game. Our goal is to win in Denmark” - said Portnoy.

The Ukrainians arrived in Skopje with only 12 players. Six members of the team remained in Zaporozhye due to injuries.

Text: Goran Antevski

Gruppe D -------------------------------------------

KRIM »DESTROYED« DIN

In the 5th round match of the Women's Champion League's Group Matches Krim of Ljubljana and Din Nis met in Slovenia. Their first match at the beginning of January was a tie, so everyone expected a tough game where the winner would once again not be known until last minutes of the game. But it was not like that at all …

The host team Krim Mercator started once again in this match with a high tempo. They begun with defensive formation 5-1 and payed special attention to the best scorer in the CL Lilijana Knezevic who did not need free space, because she could still score without it. The handballers from Serbia and Montenegro were completely lost. Their throws towards goal were not successful. Only in rare cases were they able to penetrate Krim's agressive defence but there was one more »obstacle« - the goalkeeper Andrea Farkas who saved plenty of balls. In that way the Slovenian National Champions were able counterattack and score easily. In the 12th minute of the match, the result was 10:3 for Krim. In the first half, eight players from Ljubljana were able to score, on the other side only four of the Nis side were able to. Even though Svetislav Jovanovic' s team was working hard in defence they could not stop the three Ukrainians in Krim's team – Yatsenko, Vergelyuk and Siukalo - they were unstoppable. After the first 30 minutes of the match in front of 2000 Krim fans, it finished just as everyone in Slovenia wanted it to. It was 20:14 for Krim.

Krim was too good

Krim's coach Tone Tiselj who was - despite illness - able to lead his team- changed players on the court a lot. He gave the players who don't ususally make the starting line-up a chance to show what they are made of. So all 14 players got some minutes of play. The second half was similar to the first one. Krim was always far away from Din Nis. It was lucky for Serbian's that their capatin Knezevic managed to score more often in the first-half. Upto the end of match, she scored twelve times. It was obvious that none of others from Din were in mood on that rainy Saturday. In the fifth round match, the winner was known long before the final whistle was heard. Krim has reached the biggest advanatage in the match in the 51st minute when it was 34:23. Despite some mistakes made by the host players which was a consequence of playing and changing tactics, they won easily with 40:30. They reamin undefeated in the Champions League. Krim - with 10 points - has secured the first spot in group D, on the other side Din Nis will have to say goodbay to this year's EHF competitions.

Text: Maja Mastnak
SiOL-Sportal

ELDA QUALIFIES FOR THE NEXT ROUND!

Orsan Elda Prestigio got the point they needed against Tertnes to qualify for the next stage of the Champions League.

After winning 33-25 against Tertnes in Bergen in their opening match of the Champions League, Orsan Elda Prestigio needed only one point in their home meeting with the Norwegians to secure their place in the next stage of the tournament.

Tertnes knew that only a win would be good enough to keep their Champions League-dream alive. In addition, the Norwegians got of to a flying start, leading 3-0 in Spain. However, the experienced home team came back and were leading for most of the match, but in the closing minutes, the nerves got to them.

Three minutes from the end, Tertnes were leading 28-26, only to see Orsan come back yet again and 15 seconds before the final signal, they equalized.

Tertnes got a last chance, but the free throw from Anne Petersen Waage ended in nothing.

Orsan Elda Prestigio will follow Krim Ljubljana to the next stage of the Champions League, while Tertnes now need at least a point from their home meeting with DIN Nis to take the third place in Group D and qualify for the Cupwinners Cup.

Hege Vikebö was the top scorer for Tertnes with nine goals and Silvana Ilic scoring seven goals for Orsan.

Text: Stig Nygård

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Friday, February 18th 2005, 8:06pm

Showdown in Gruppe C:

Slagelsec vs. Kometal wirft seine Schatten voraus. Trainer Andriy Portnoy, TW Natalia Borysenko und Spielerin Yeliz Özel äußern sich zum Spiel in Dänemark

Andriy Portnoy:

Q This is a match for the first place, what do you expect of it?

AP “I want to win; we will play for the victory.”

Q Is the team ready to win, what is the mood, are they motivated?

AP “The motivation is o n the highest level. We played very well o n the first match. They are a big challenge for us because they are the champions. We won with a big margin, so we want to keep the quality of the team o n that level.”

Q Slagelse scored o nly 12 times o n the first match, will the defense be the factor of decision again?

AP “We are the team with the best defense in the CL, according to the received goals. The defense will be a good weapon, as it was everywhere where I was the coach. I always pay attention o n the defense.”

Q Budimir joined the team after they played in Skopje against Kometal. Will she strengthen the team?

AP "We will guard all their backs with the same attention, but, Popovic and Fridrikas will be the most dangerous."

Q Do you plan some tactical surprises for Slagelse?

AP "We have some new tactics, you will see them on the court, but when it comes to the players, there won’t be some big changes. We have a compact first team."

Nataliya Borisenko:

Q You are one of the best players in the team of Kometal in the CL so far, so, what do you expect from the game against Slagelse this Sunday?

NB “The game against Slagelse will be very difficult, but I expect my team to be on the first place at the end of the group stage. So, a draw would also do the job, although it is very uncertain.”

Q The Fans are supporting the team in “Kale”, what it will be like in Denmark, will you miss them? Will the motivation be decisive, or maybe some player will decide the match?

NB “Exactly! The Kometal Fans are cheering us from the first till the last minute and we know that we are not alone in the battle and that is very important. But, the motivation is on the highest level, we are playing for the first place. We will play as a team and that is the most important to win the game."

Q Are your colleagues on the goal of Slagelse, Leganger and Smith, the best part of Slagelse and do you think they will be the biggest obstacle for Kometal?

NB “I don’t know what is going to happen, really. I expect our players to have a good day and to be more successful than the goalkeeper of the opposition”

Q Slagelse has top players o n the back positions, now Budimir is the newest addition. What will the defense against them be like?

NB “They have good backs, but we have a response for that in the defense. It is always easier for the goalkeeper when there is a good defense, as well as it is easier for the defense when they know they have a good goalkeeper behind them. We just have to give our best, which is why we are a team.”

Yeliz Ozel:


Q What do you expect of the match against Slagelse?

YO "We all know that it will be a hard, very hard match. It won’t be easy as it was in “Kale”, that is for sure."

Q Can you say something about the atmosphere in the team? What is it like?

YO "We work well; we have a very serious approach since we know the importance of the match and how important it is to get a good result in Denmark."

Q Let’s talk about the opponent a bit. What is the strongest side of Slagelse?

YO "They have two very good goalkeepers. That is what I see as the strongest. "

Q Do they have some weak points that we can use?

YO "We have analyzed their game very good and noticed some weaknesses in the defense that we will try to use."

Q As for the end, if it is necessary, will you be able to guard Bojana Popovic on the same level as you did in Skopje?

YO "I am ready to guard her, and I will do that if it is necessary."

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Sunday, February 20th 2005, 11:31pm

Gruppe A:
Dunaferr SE - ZRK Buducnost MONET 27:18 ( 13:09 )
CBM Astroc Sagunto - Ikast Bording EH 37:30 ( 15:17 )

1. Dunaferr SE.................. 6 4 1 1 165 : 141 (24) 9
2. Ikast Bording EH............. 6 4 1 1 174 : 163 (11) 9
3. CBM Astroc Sagunto....... 6 2 0 4 179 : 190 (-11) 4
4. ZRK Buducnost MONET... 6 1 0 5 141 : 165 (-24) 2
Ikast ist Gruppensieger aufgrund des direkten Vergleichs gg Dunaferr.

Gruppe B
Viborg HK A/S - Nordstrand 2000 Oslo 24:17 ( 9:8 )
Dinamo AQUA Volgograd - Hypo Niederösterreich (30 :23 )

1. Viborg HK A/S................. 6 4 0 2 173 : 141 (32) 8
2. Hypo Niederösterreich....... 6 4 0 2 174 : 157 (17) 8
3. Dinamo AQUA Volgograd... 6 4 0 2 164 : 160 (4) 8
4. Nordstrand 2000.............. 6 0 0 6 119 : 172 (-53) 0


Gruppe C:
Slagelse FH - Kometal D. P. Skopje 26:22
HC "Motor" Zaporozhye - HC "Lada Toljatti" 30:22

1. Slagelse FH.................... 6 5 0 1 153 : 134 (19) 10
2. Kometal D. P. Skopje...... 6 4 0 2 150 : 127 (19) 8
3. HC "Lada Toljatti"........... 6 2 0 4 148 : 151 (-11) 4
4. HC "Motor" Zaporozhye... 6 1 0 5 132 : 159 (-27) 2


Gruppe D:
Krim Ljubljana - Orsan Elda Prestigio 28:22 ( 15 :10 )
Tertnes Bergen - RK DIN Nis 31:25 ( 11:11 )

1. Krim Ljubljana.......... 6 6 0 0 178 : 140 (38 ) 12
2. Orsan Elda Prestigio.. 6 2 2 2 161 : 156 (5) 6
3. Tertnes Bergen....... 6 2 1 3 149 : 166 (-17) 5
4. RK DIN Nis.............. 6 0 1 5 147 : 173 (-26) 1


Viertelfinale:

Dunaferr NK - Viborg HK

Hypo NÖ - Ikast-Bording EH

Slagelse - Orsan Elda

Kometal - Krim

Hypo mit einer Punktlandung. Ganz schwache Leistung in Volgograd. Hübsch war die Vermummung der Zuschauer. Schien etwas kalt in der Halle.
Schock in Slagelse - Anja Andersen hatte eine Herzattacke zu Beginn des Spiels und wurde ins Krankenhaus eingeliefert, konnte allerdings in der zweiten HZ wieder zurück kommen. Und in der 2. HZ hat sie dann gleich die Gelbe Karte kassiert... War wohl nicht wirklich schlimm.

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Tuesday, February 22nd 2005, 11:42am

Ende der Gruppenphase.
Die üblichen Verdächtrigen haben sich durchgesetzt.

Gruppe A:

DUNAFERR’S JUNIORS DEFEAT BUDUCNOST MONET

Dunaferr had gloomy prospects before the final clash in Group A of the Champions League. Due to an unheard-of-wave of injuries, the Hungarian champions were missing nearly a complete set of international stars (Lovász, Radulovics, Németh, Nagy, Bohus). The line-up was filled with such junior players as Vincze, Balogh, Fauszt and Trufán, who had very little or no international experience whatsoever. However, the youngsters could play without any stress, as Dunaferr had already qualified for the next round, regardless of the outcome of the last match.

Vincze and Kindl started scoring from the home side, while the visitors kept up with Hobjila’s backcourt shots. The two sides proceeded neck-to-neck for a while with lots of opportunities missed on both sides, as the two goalkeepers, Pálinger and Knezovic were in excellent form again. Polish international Puchacz put Podgorica in the lead for the first time, and the visitors doubled the gap by the 16th minute (4-6). Bulath put Dunaferr back on track, then Pálinger’s unbeliavable saves and Ferling’s goals resulted in a safe margin for the home side by halftime (13-9).

The second half started with a quick exchange of goals between Ferling and Puchacz. Due to the open (3-2-1) defence applied, the wings were quite prolific in this period. Damjanac hit Pálinger’s net twice in a row, while Pálffy and Vincze scored on the other side. Even though Hobjila guarded Kindl closely, she could score two goals from the backcourt, so the margin became significant (44th minute:21-15).

The only remaining question was whether young Éva Fauszt can score her first international goal, which she eventually did from a penalty. The final score was 27-18. Dunaferr’s juniors proved that they can be relied on in difficult circumstances, too.

Text: Sándor Joó
www.handball.hu

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Gruppe B:

VOLGOGRAD JUST MISS OUT

After Viborg had beaten Nordstrand on Saturday in group A, Dinamo Volgograd needed not only to beat Hypo Niederösterreich, but they actually had to win on Sunday by as many as 8 goals in order to qualify for the quarter-finals.

Gunnar Prokop, manager of Hypo Niederösterreich, was well aware of the difficult task for his team and the delegation travelled to Volgograd on Friday in order to give coach Mile Isakovic and the players an extra day of resting after a long trip.

About 4000 spectators witnessed quite an equal start to the game, however, after 20 minutes of the first half, Dinamo led by 9 to 6 goals and started to look better and better. Hypo Niederösterreich changed the goalkeeper and a number of saves by Paula Radulescu brought the guest team back into the game and the score at halftime was almost levelled at 13:12 for Dinamo.

Local coach Lev Akopian was away from his team during most of the season because of an illness, but his long experience on an international level paid off in the half-time. More aggressive play in attack put a lot more pressure on Hypo Niederösterreich and it didn’t take too long to see the home team in advance by six goals (20:14 after 42 minutes). On top of this, Hypo’s Tatjana Shinkarenko left the game after 44 minutes with a red card after her third 2-min. penalty. There was finally a seven goal deficit for the guest team after 47 min. (23:16) and again after 52 min. (25:19). However, to feel the impossible become reality, the home team experienced a few nervous moments and was not able to convert some easy shots from the wing position giving Hypo a chance to manage to limit the deficit to seven goals all the way to the end of the game. Volgograd once again got possession of the ball with a few seconds left on the clock and the result at 30:23, but all efforts finally just came a few moments too late.

The closest possible result finally puts Hypo Niederösterreich on rank 2 behind Viborg and into the quarterfinals of the Champions League for the first time again after five years. Dinamo Volgograd got eight points in six matches and still only earned third place on goal difference and will continue in the Cupwinners’ Cup.

The Champions League quarter-final in March will see Hypo Niederösterreich playing the first leg at home against old rival Ikast Bording (Denmark). After winning group B and after having beaten Hypo in last season’s Cupwinners’ Cup final, the Danish team with world class goalkeeper Karin Mortensen is probably to be seen as a slight favourite. However, there will be lot of tension in the air as Hypo Niederösterreich is looking for revenge …

Text: EHF

Nach Zitterpartie in Russland im Viertelfinale

Das wurde noch richtig knapp. Mit einer 23:30 Niederlage in Volgograd schaffte Hypo NÖ den Aufstieg ins Champions League Viertelfinale. Das war exakt das Resultat, das für die Qualifikation reichte. Viele technische Fehler und eine schwache Wurfausbeute brachten die Südstädterinnen mitte zweiter Halbzeit in Schwierigkeiten, letztendlich überwiegt aber die Freude über den gelungenen Einzug in die Runde der besten acht Teams Europas. Im Viertelfinale kommt es jetzt zum Duell mit dem dänischen Klub Ikast. Ein "alter" Bekannter, hatte man doch in der letzten Saison das Finale im Europacup der Cupsieger gegen Ikast verloren. "Da haben wir noch etwas zu korrigieren" lautet auch bereits die Kampfansage von Gunnar Prokop. Das erste Spiel wird aller Voraussicht nach am Freitag, 11. März, ab 18:30 Uhr im BSFZ Südstadt ausgetragen, das Rückspiel dann wahrscheinlich am Sonntag, 20. März in Dänemark. Die weiteren Paarungen im Champions League Viertelfinale: Skopje - Krim Ljubljana, Elda Prestigio - Slagelse und Dunaferr - Viborg.

Volgograd - Hypo NÖ 30:23 (13:12)
Tore: Logvin (6), Rotis (5), Shynkarenko (4), Bilobrk (3), Nascimento (3), Löwy (1), Spiridon (1).

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Gruppe C

SLAGELSE GET "EASY" RIVAL

The European women’s handball champion, Danish Slagelse managed to get an "easy" rival for the quarter-finals after beating the Macedonian rival Kometal GP by 26-22. The last round match in group C determined which team will play against the Spanish side of Astroc Sagunto and avoid the Slovenian Krim Mercator, which is incidentally the only team left unbeaten in the Champions League. Slagelse needed to win to secure the first place in the group, and Kometal GP "run" for one point.

The first 15 minutes showed good defense work by the guest team, and Slagelse couldn't find a way to Borisineko's goal. Kometal GP lead 2-3, 3-5 and 5-6. Then situations changed dramatically. Slagelse utilized all chances they had and managed a 6-1 series. Kometal GP did not score for 9 minutes, making many technical mistakes and playing poorly in defense. Bojana Popovic and Carmen Lungu scored from all positions and in 24 minutes Slagelse led by 11-6. The Slovenian Tone Tiselj, coach of Krim Mercator was in the stands watching the match live.

The Serbian national player Bojana Popovic scored 9 goals, and the Romanian Lungu five. On the Kometal GP side Olga Buyanova scored 9 goals from 18 attempts, and Olena Tsygitsa six goals.

Leganger and Schmidt saved more goals than Kometal GP scored

Slagelse's goalkeepers Cecille Leganger and Rikke Schmidt were a "nightmare" for the guest players. Both saved a total of 23 balls more than Kometal GP scored in the game including two penalties. The Norwegian Leganger saved 10 balls in the first half, right in a period when Kometal GP failed to score for 9 minutes. Her good work continued in the second half, but Kometal GP manged to climb back to 16-13.

Then her teammate Rikke Schmidt took over and continued in the same style Slagelse played with a player down due to 2 min. suspensions. A series of good defense allowed to Slagelse to increase their lead to 21-15. When Kometal GP came back to 23-21, Leganger again showed her skill. In the first game in Skopje, Leganger saved 14 balls, and Schmidt just two.

Anja Andersen spent one half in hospital
Slagelse coach Anja Andersen spent more than 30 minutes in hospital for a medical check after she complained of pain in her heart. 4:30 min. into the match - while giving advice to her players, Andersen fell to the ground, and held her hand on the left side of her chest.

The game was interrupted for a few minutes, and Andersen was sent out on a stretcher. She was back in hall for the last 30 minutes, but stayed quiet on the bench. Her assistant Brian Lyndholm continued to lead the team, and successfully managed to reverse the result and retain a 2-3 goals lead. “Temper“ Anderson stayed on the bench and got up just a few times to give advice to Lyndholm and to bully with referees.

Text: Goran Antevski

KOMETAL GETS KRIM

Kometal Gjorche Petrov won the second place in the group C of the Champions League after losing to the European Champion Slagelse with 22-26(9-13) this afternoon. That means that our opponent in the quarterfinals will be the Slovenian Champion, Krim Mercator from Ljubljana.

Our players let the host control the game with the pale display o n this match. Kometal was leading in the first minutes of the first half when the goalkeeper duo of Slagelse, Leganger and Smith, left their mark o n the game and helped their team in making a 5 goal lead which was enough until the end. Kometal came to -2 at 3 minutes before the end but that was all they did.

Olga Bujanova had a marvelous game, especially in the second half when she scored 8 of her 9 goals. Tsygitsa was also solid o n our side. Great weaknesses of Kometal were the turnovers they made and the few passes to the pivot position. Kometal had o nly o ne fast break while the Danes had 7.

Beside the goalkeeper duo, Bojana Popovic was the leader of the team scoring 9 goals. Two former Kometal players, Valentina Radulovic and Andrijana Budimir, had an appearance o n this match, too.

What Kometal needs to do is try to repair some weaknesses in their game before the clash with Krim in the quarterfinals.


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Gruppe D:

KRIM'S SUPERIORITY IS CONTINUING

Nothing was decided by the last match in group D between Krim Mercator of Slovenia and Elda Prestigio of Spain. The top spot was already taken by the runners-up of last year's Champions League, Krim, and Elda was second whatever the result of the match.

It was obvious right from the begining of match that the players were not highly motivated. Krim's coach Tone Tiselj rested four of his key players, Elda's coach Angel Sandoval left Alicia Morante at home and the goalkeeper Diana Box did not play because of injury.

And how did the match develop? In the first ten minutes, the host and guest teams were equal. In the beginning of match there were plenty of technical mistakes from both sides. It was Tanja Dajcman of Krim who scored first in the match, Spanish players needed three minutes to score their first goal.The first tie and last of the match was in the 9th minute when it was 3:3. From then on Krim was always in the lead. Once again, the match belonged to the pivot Liudimila Bodnieva. She scored whenever she had a chance and was a hard test for the Spanish. In that way, the first half finished with a five goals advantage of Krim Mercator (15:10).

The second half started better for Elda Prestigio. Sandoval sent on the court young Veronica Verdu who put the Spanish back into the match for a few minutes. But players from Ljubljana did not allow any surprises. Even though Tiselj gave young players Argenti, Marincek and Mihic a chance, they made the bigest difference in the 46th minute when they had a nine goals advantage (24:15). The Spanish side were unlucky again when young Verdu got injured. In the last few moments of the match Elda made up a bit of the difference and finished 28:22. Best scorers were Silvana Ilic who scored 10 goals and Tanja Dajcman with 8 goals.

Both coaches made first estimation of performances of Champions League. Tone Tiselj is satisfied: »I think it was great first part of the Champions League. Despite changes in the team and some injuries, we remain undefeated.« Elda's coach Angel Sandoval said: »We are completely satisfied with what we have done. We reached our goal. Today's match was strange because there was nothing to play for. We did not want any injuries and played less powerful . It is obvious that Krim was superior to everyone in our group.«

Text: Maja Mastnak
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Monday, March 7th 2005, 2:43pm

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11.03.2005 18:35 Hypo Niederösterr. Ikast Bording EH 4 Tore für Ikast
12.03.2005 16:20 Alsa Elda Prestigio Slagelse FH 3 Tore für Slagelse
12.03.2005 19:00 Kometal Skopje Krim Ljubljana 2 Tore für Skopje
13.03.2005 16:30 Dunaferr SE Viborg HK Remis
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Monday, March 7th 2005, 4:51pm

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PÁLINGER: “THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE IS SOMETHING SPECIAL”

eurohandball.com interviewed Dunaferr’s Hungarian international goalkeeper, Katalin Pálinger after her side’s victory over Buducnost MONET in Group A of the Champions League. Pálinger showed her usual, high-level performance and contributed to this triumph with quite a few brilliant saves.

eurohandball.com: You are past the group phase of the Champions League. How do you evaluate your team’s performance so far?

Katalin Pálinger: I think we can be completely satisfied with our results so far, as we were not beaten on home ground. We could defeat both Buducnost and Sagunto in the away matches. Unfortunately, we lost against Ikast by one goal, but we had a draw with them in Dunaújváros, even though we were down by 5 goals in the 54th minute. Considering how many players we were missing, it was a good achievement.

eurohandball.com: How far do you think the team can go in the Champions League?

Pálinger: It might depend on the outcome of the other group; we do not know which team is going to reach the first place there. Three of them are still contending for the top two spots. (Meanwhile, Viborg have secured the first position in Group B, so they will face Dunaferr in the next round.)

eurohandball.com: Who would you pick as the next opponent?

Pálinger: I would prefer Hypo. We know them and I think we can read their game very well. Of course, we are ready for any challenge, whoever we have to face. We always target victory, but we will definitely need our injured players to recover as soon as possible.

eurohandball.com: How different is a Champions League match from a domestic championship clash?

Pálinger: They have a completely different atmosphere. If you watch the CL-matches, you can see that the speed is quite different, and you have to keep up the high tempo throughout the clash, and the opponents capitalise on the slightest mistake you make. This is the international level.

eurohandball.com: You might have to miss this atmosphere next year, as your new club, FCK is probably not going to compete in the CL…

Pálinger: They surely will not, at least not next year. Many fans keep asking me if I am going to come back to play against Dunaferr in the CL here, but this is definitely not going to happen next year. I considered this factor when I decided where to transfer. I signed a contract to a club that is not expected to compete in the CL, but in the EHF Cup or the CWC.

eurohandball.com: So you actually considered this when you balanced the pros and cons of your contract?

Pálinger: It was not the primary factor, but I am very glad it happened this way. I love playing in Dunaújváros, and I would not like to return here as an opponent.

eurohandball.com: You might actually help your new club getting into the Champions League in the end. Was this an expectation on the part of FCK when they negotiated the conditions of your contract?

Pálinger: In Denmark, people have a different approach to expectations, and they articulate them differently. I think if FCK qualifies for the top four of the Danish Championship, it would be a huge success. Of course, I am up to any challenge and I want to do my best to help my new club get as high as possible.

eurohandball.com: Would you return to play for Dunaferr, though?

Pálinger: Anything is possible. Fortunately, the clubs management and I seem to be able to part on friendly terms. They understood that I wanted to test myself abroad and accepted my decision. We can come back to this issue after my contract expires in Denmark.

Text: Sándor Joó
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Friday, March 11th 2005, 4:34pm

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OPTIMISTICALLY CAUTIOUS

The two former European Champions of the Women Champion League, Kometal GP Skopje and Krim Mercator, will clash today in the hope of a positive result to carry over into the 2nd Leg. Slovenian Krim Mercator is the only unbeaten team in the group matches, the actual CL finalist and winner of the European Club Championship. Kometal GP in 2002 won CL but then never crossed quarterfinal line.

Both teams have played each other twice, in Ljubljana and the European Championship for Club Teams in Germany during December 2004. Krim Mercator won both matches. Nevertheless, the Macedonian champion in their 89th CL match is looking for the win that will be enough for entry into the semifinal.

“In Germany we had problems with injured players, several players missed the preparation due to national team matches at the ECh in Hungary. Now the situation is completely different. Results from both games are very close, so both teams have equal chances to win. Let Krim Mercator think about us” said Portnoy. “For us it is the same if we play against Krim in the quarterfinal or semifinal. We have to beat them.”

According to goalkeeper Natalya Borisenko, the biggest danger from Kometal GP goalkeeper will be Lyudmila Bodnieva.

“She is good pivot player, who always knows how and where to receive the ball, with one or two hands. The back line is also very good.”

On Saturday, Kometal GP will play with the strongest line up without injury problems. The sports hall in Skopje has been sold out for weeks and there will be a tremendous atmosphere in the hall. Krim will have 250 supporters in Skopje.

Tanja Oder the captain of Krim said, “Kometal GP has many players from Ukraine and Russia. Their coach is also from Ukraine and he is a good one. We'll have to play our best game as always.”

Tone Tiselj, coach of Krim Mercator who watched the last game between Slagelse and Kometal GP in Denmark.

“We know each other very well. There is no secret to our game. We have to play hard, and then we will get results.”

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Friday, March 11th 2005, 11:14pm

Hypo Niederösterreich (A) - Ikast/Bording EH (DK) 32: 27 (16:16)
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Saturday, March 12th 2005, 12:44pm

...ein grausames spiel. 22-26 (ikast) wird zu 32:27, das 27. machen die in den letzten sekunden.

keiner weiß, warum hypo das gewonnen hat. prokops sensationelle tto's können jedenfalls keine ursache sein. wenn mal jemand anschauungsuntericht in sachen schlechtes coaching braucht, sollte er sich nen mitschnitt verschaffen.

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Hypo NÖ gewinnt und schafft eine gute Basis für den Auftsieg

Maria Enzersdorf - Die Handballerinnen von Hypo Niederösterreich haben in einer Neuauflage des vorjährigen Cupsieger-Endspiels das Heimspiel gegen Ikast Bording 32:27 (16:16) gewonnen.

Die Chance, erstmals seit 2000 auch wieder das Semifinale zu erreichen, ist intakt, allerdings nicht sehr groß.
Sind die Möglichkeiten nur klein?
2004 hatte der achtfache Meistercup-Gewinner daheim ebenfalls mit plus fünf Treffern gesiegt, die Trophäe letztlich aber dem Gegner überlassen müssen.

"Die Möglichkeiten sind klein", gab nach aufregenden 60 Minuten auch Trainer-Manager Gunnar Prokop zu.

Der Handball-Zampano hatte vorher von einem Acht-Tore-Polster gesprochen, um einigermaßen beruhigt in das Land des dreifachen Olympiasiegers reisen zu können.
Ausverkauftes Haus in der Südstadt
Rund 2.000 Zuschauer, die erstmals seit 2000 für ein ausverkauftes BSFZ Südstadt sorgten, hatten ihr Kommen dennoch nicht zu bereuen, denn sie bekamen einen Handball-Krimi zu sehen.
Hypo begann stark, führte Mitte der ersten Hälfte auch 12:7, doch zwei vergebene Siebenmeter und ein Doppel-Stangen-Treffer verhinderten eine höhere Führung.
Der kompakte Gegner kam trotz eines Ausschlusses von Hammerseng (Foul an Logwin) heran und ging mit 16:16 in die Pause.
Nach dem Wechsel setzte Ikast nach, ging erstmals in Führung und zog sogar auf 25:19 davon. Mortensen im Tor, dazu Abspielfehler, gepaart mit hastigen Fehlwürfen ließen Schlimmes befürchten.
Radulescu und der Wille siegen
"Dieser Einbruch musste nach der Grippe-Welle, die eine Woche kein Training zuließ, kommen", meinte Prokop, der danach aber wie die begeisterten Zuschauer doch noch ein Happy End erlebte.
Die auf 5-1 umgestellte Verteidigung klappte, dazu entpuppte sich die nach der Pause eingewechselte Torfrau Radulescu als "Gummiwand" und vorne traf man auch wieder fast nach Belieben.
Die sensationelle Aufholjagd trotz letztlich fünf vergebener Strafstöße von 19:25 zum 32:27-Triumph wurde mit standing ovations honoriert.
Dazu Prokop: "Radulescu und nur noch der Wille haben es doch noch möglich gemacht."
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interessant auch, dass offenbar in österreich eine disqualifikation ausschluß heißt...
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KRIM - GREAT CHALLENGE

Great atmosphere and serious approach characterize the situation in Kometal Gjorcje Petrov on just two days before the big match against the Slovenian team Krim from Ljubljana in the quarter finals of the EHF Champions League.

The expectations for the approaching match of the Champions League between the two teams were stated on the usual press conference held today in Skopje.

The coach Andrey Portnoy described the game of Krim as firm and with great counter attacks, combined with a strong defense formatted 5-1 or 6-0 and few individual efforts in the offense. He said that Krim’s best player is Ljudmila Bodnieva, opinion shared by the two players present on the conference, Olga Bujanova and Nataliya Borisenko. Therefore, special defense is prepared for her.

What Kometal has to do to counter that kind of play is to play with devotion, obey the instructions of the coach, while the support of the Kometal Fans will be of great significance.

When it comes to the players available for the coach, not considering Rayhel who won’t be ready until the semis, everyone is prepared to play. Radchenko has small problem with an injury but that is ended now.

The director of the club, Mr. Dimitar Todorovski showed conviction that the statements published in the Slovenian Medias will not affect the traditionally good relations between the two clubs, even though not anything written there is true. The team of Krim as well as their fans is always welcomed in Skopje, and this time there will be 250 fans of their team in “Kale”.

The sponsors of the club, Mr. Trifun Kostovski stated that the players and especially the fans should not be provoked from the articles mentioned above, and prove once again that they are the best fans in the world, something confirmed even by the controversial Anja Andersen who wished to have that kind of supporters. Therefore, Mr. Kostovski asked Kometal to give its best and become the winner after the two matches.

The match starts at 19:00h this Saturday. The referees Gilles Bord and Olivier Buy, who come from France, haven’t judged on a Kometal match so far.

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Saturday, March 12th 2005, 8:55pm

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Original von zmagoválec

12.03.2005 16:20 Alsa Elda Prestigio Slagelse FH 3 Tore für Slagelse


Guter Tipp. Da kommt der Fachmann durch. Das Ergebnis von Ikast war ja auch nach dem Zwischenstand nicht zu erwarten ;)

Alsa Elda Prestigio Slagelse FH 31:34
Kometal D. P. Skopje : Krim Ljubljana 24:21
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Sunday, March 13th 2005, 9:08pm

Höhö, "stupid-Anja" (Andersen) - netter neuer Spitzname ;)
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Sunday, March 13th 2005, 10:21pm

und komplett sieht's dann so aus:
Hypo Niederösterreich - Ikast Bording HB 32:27
Orsan Elda Prestigio - Slagelse FH 31:34
Kometal D. P. Skopje : Krim Ljubljana 24:21
Dunaferr SE - Viborg HK A/S 27:26 (10:14)

...und damit hat Viborg die letzten drei Pflichtspiele verloren. obwohl die niederlage gegen dunaferr noch die erträglichste sein dürfte.

btw. die spannendste frage rund um a.a. ist, ob sie mal gesperrt wird. oder nicht. oder wie lang. oder ob man das überhaupt darf.
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IT WILL BE DECIDED IN LJUBLJANA

Kometal Gjorcje Petrov won the first of two quarter final matches against Krim Mercator in a great atmosphere made by the fans with 24-21 (12-11). That was the first lost game after six wins of Krim in the Champions League. So, the final winner will have to be decided in Ljubljana.

The game today was full of fights, tension and fast play but all put into the frames of fair play. Kometal had the lead during the whole match, except the 1-2 lead in the beginning. The greatest margin for Kometal was 3 goals, with few chances to increase it to 4, but, like the final shot of Bujanova in the last seconds, they weren’t used.

The best player in Kometal was Olga Bujanova scoring 10 goals while Derepasko in Krim scored 9.

Kometal Gjorcje Petrov:

Kolesnik, Radchenko 2, Kastratovikj 1, Platon-Dimovska, Mladenovic, Bujanova 10 (4), Ozel 3, Amorim, Pecevska 1, Tsygitsa 5, Todorovska 1, Portjanko 1, Borisenko, Boeva.

Krim Mercator:

Farkas, Yatsenko, Derepasko 9 (4), Vergeljuk 2, Frešer 1, Doler 2, Bodnieva 2, Dinu, Oder 1, Kurent, Argenti, Syukalo, Ejsmont 2 (2), Dajèman 1.

7m: Kometal 4 (4), Krim Mercator 8 (6).
Suspensions: Kometal 12, Krim Mercator 8 min
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Saturday, March 19th 2005, 7:19pm

Dunaferr SE : Viborg HK A/S 27:26 31:30 58:56

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Viborg-Dunaferr 27-26 (16-13)

Viborg: Grit Jurack 5, Saskia Mulder 5, Olga Assink 5, Katrine Fruelund 4, Rikke Skov 3, Henriette Mikkelsen 3, Lotte Kiærskou 2.

Dunaferr: Bernadett Ferling 5, Helga Nemeth 4, Melinda Vencze 4, Anita Bulath 4, Bojana Radulovics 3, Gabriella Kindl 3, Zsuzanna Palffy 2, Beata Bohus 1.

Hinausstellungen (Udvisninger): Viborg 2, Dunaferr 6.

Zuschauer (Tilskuere): 2200.

Gesamtendergebnis (Samlet 53-53).
Dunaferr videre med 5-3 på straffe.
Endstand im 7m Werfen Viborg - Dunaferr 3:5


Dunaferr setzt sich im Siebenmeterwerfen durch, nachdem nach 60 Minuten mit 27:26 genau das Hinspielergebnis egalisiert wurde.

Hypo Niederösterreich : Ikast Bording EH 32:27 31:32 63:59
Kometal D. P. Skopje : Krim Ljubljana 24:21 21:23 45:44
Orsan Elda Prestigio : Slagelse FH 31:34 21:28 52:62
Original von rro.ch
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Saturday, March 19th 2005, 9:39pm

...und das schwarze we der däninnen nimmt gestalt an:
ikast gewinnt 32-31 und ist raus.

und :Hail: kometal skopje :Hail:ist ebenfalls im halbfinale: 21:23 (agg. 45:44)

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